Sunday, June 8, 2025

Is it possible to return to a job after quitting? How long should one wait before reapplying for the same job?



It is possible, if you have a good relationship with the manager, and they think highly of you.

I have seen it where, someone left a company where she had been at for 17 years for another job, and decided she didn’t like it.

The manager and her had remained friends, and the manager told her the door was open for her to return at anytime.

And so she returned.

I was freelancing at the company when she left, and was still working there, when she returned.

I later learned, that there was a repeat of this, some years later.

She left for another job, and returned.

The same manager was there, and the manager left the door open for her to return, the second time as well.

I myself, was hired back, at 2 advertising agencies, in my previous career, as an advertising copywriter.

At each of these advertising agencies, MAA Bozell and HTA (part of J Walter Thompson), I left in good faith the first time, but not the second time.

Unfortunately, I burned bridges the second time, so there was no opportunity to return a third time.

The impulsive tendency to burn bridges (things can easily become a habit, you see), continued in the first part of my second career as a Commissions Analyst.

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Minoo Jha
 · 4y
Why did you leave your last job?
Hi Abbi and Tiff, You asked, What was the thing that made you quit your last job? I am embarrassed to say I have quit my job 5 times. The most recent time was at my last full time job. I became a consultant since walking out of that job and the histrionics promptly stopped. Here’s my quit story... I reported to two levels of Manager at the company, my Manager and my Manager’s Manager. When the 2nd level manager changed, the new chap and me just couldn’t get along. The fact that I worked mostly from home was a big part of it. But it seemed I couldn’t do anything right. As I narrated in my answer to Quora question, What small, non-verbal thing makes you judge someone instantly?, I even managed to rub him up the wrong way with my hand gestures. My non verbal gaffe: I waved my hand at my manager at a meeting at which my manager’s manager was present and said, “Oh so you will take care of that,” just before I headed out the door. My manager’s manager turned on her as soon as I left the room, and said, “How can you take such disrespectful behavior from her? I wouldn’t have tolerated the way she waved her hand at you, and said ‘Oh, so you’ll take care of that.’” He instructed my manager to address it with me the next morning. Things were already bad between me and my manager’s manager, and it got worse with finding out that he was bothered even about the way I moved my hands. Eventually,it got to where I went home one Friday evening and decided not to return to work on Monday. I was done. I don’t recommend my way of quitting, as it burns bridges. Here’s the proper way to leave a job: * Schedule time with your boss to let them know * Give two weeks notice * Make sure the hand over is smooth, don’t leave a mess for them to sort out after you are gone * Show gratitude - express your thanks for all the different benefits that you got out of the job * Promise to keep in touch * If they want to take you to lunch or have a going away of some kind for you, attend, do not decline * Exchange personal information, so people have your contact information * Tell them they can contact you after you leave if they need help. They will rarely do this, but it is a nice gesture

Until I understood, that perhaps, I was a free spirit, and I would be better off as a freelance Commissions Analyst.

And that's exactly what I became...

... a freelance Commissions Analyst.

I had the same epiphany about being free spirited, towards the end of my first career as an Advertising Copywriter.

After burning bridges with HTA, instead of taking up a job at another agency, I opened a creative hot shop.

The name of my creative shop was Purple Patch.

So many interesting stories from my Purple Patch days.

Purple Patch was a business.

Freelancing, which is what I did in my second career, is not.

But I discovered the trick is to think of your freelancing as a business.

So that you look at every company you work for as a customer, and not as an employer.

It is a good approach if you want to be successful as a freelancer.

Of course, there are other things which are necessary, as well.

If you want to know all the reasons, I found I was suited to be a freelancer, here they are...

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Minoo Jha
 · 3y
As an entrepreneur, what motivates you the most to pursue your goals?
I am a faux entrepreneur - a freelancer, and here’s a look behind the curtain…. How I Did It. How I Resisted the Easy Money of Employment for The Hard Money of Consulting. A Look Behind The Curtain Each time I was tempted to convert to a full time employee, I looked at what I had to gain by being a consultant. Here’s what would pop into my mind. A long list of worthwhile things, which only consulting could give me… Getting to have a faux business - ever since I ran Purple Patch (my own creative shop), I knew I was never so productive, so prolific, so creative, as when I was my own boss Getting to work for different companies – I have worked directly (or indirectly, by working on implementations, or testing) for 14 different companies - wow, a corporate adventure, in itself Getting to meet so many people in Sales Compensation and Commissions – my network has expanded from a handful of people in Commissions and Sales Compensation to 50-100 people in Sales Compensation and Commissions, not to mention people in staffing agencies, and in implementation companies Getting to train on, and work with different Commission Tools - first it was Excel, then Centive, then Xactly, more recently, Varicent, and still more recently, Oracle Fusion (where I have just initial exposure, because we still haven't gone live at the company where it is being implemented); but given this background, I expect (hope) it’s a question of time, before I get to train on, and work with Callidus, Obero, Optymyze, and other commission tools of the present, and the future Getting to use different commission systems and models – every company has their own “master” file – their own Excel beast, which is used to calculate crediting and commissions, or to sanity check the results of the automated tool. I have had a front row seat to observing, or working on this Excel beast in different companies Getting exposure to a variety of sales compensation and commission system challenges - Oh the stories I can tell Getting to work with different commission software architects - Commission software is not plug and play; it has to be customized for each company. This is where the design architect has a big role to play. Each commission software architect has her or his own design approach. It has been fascinating and educative to work alongside some of the most experienced and savvy commission software architects Getting to test plan change logic - Plans change. When they do, the plan logic has to be changed. And new plan logic has to be unit tested and UAT tested. Unit testing and UAT testing are an art in themselves. I have seen that, based on the implementations I have worked on, and also because I had the privilege of testing plan change logic at Salesforce, 2 years in a row. The exposure was great Getting exposure to different ERP systems – I have been on assignments where they use Great Plains, where they use SAP, where they use Oracle, and one assignment where ERP was still in the future, and they were still using, wait for it, Quickbooks Getting exposure to different BI tools - This is important, only because it is where sales people track their orders. And if there are differences between their orders in the commission tool, and the BI tool, you will be sure to hear about it. So yes, as a commissions consultant, I have had to run BI reports out of different BI tools like Cognos, Birst, Tableau, and sometimes even proprietary BI tools Getting exposure to different Commissions Analyst job roles - The role and function of a Commissions Analyst is different in different companies. And since I typically go in as the 'transition commissions analyst', I do whatever is defined for that role in my different assignments. Getting exposure to different managing styles - I have worked with different managers. And I have enjoyed working with each one of them, and observing their similarities, as well as their differences. As a consultant, I have sometimes found myself, a sounding board to managers, which is a privilege in itself Getting to grow my skills – Before I became a consultant, I only knew Excel and Centive. After I became a consultant, I learned Xactly and Varicent. And I learned how to do implementations. I was able to flex my writing and communication skills on FRDs, User Guides, Prototype demos and more. My Excel proficiency also increased by leaps and bounds - to include Advanced Filters , Sumifs, formulas such as Match and Index and Indirect. I also learned and started using over 20 Excel macros Getting golden opportunities - After I started consulting, some unexpected golden opportunities came my way. Such as getting to work on White Papers. One of my clients sponsored me for an all expenses paid Varicent training program in Canada. And I got to work on implementations for some high-profile companies such as Splunk, FusionIo, Lynda, which was subsequently acquired by Linkedin, and Cyberonics Getting to deliver extra value – A consultant is in a unique position to deliver extra value. As a consultant, I have been able to deliver value outside of the scope of my client's expectations. For example, I routinely document the commission processes on every assignment. I do not believe I would have been able to do this as an employed Commissions Analyst. It would have been outside the scope of my job, and it would have appeared to team members, I was trying to make them look bad. Getting to coach, train, and mentor – There are those who like to do, and those who like to do and teach, and I am in the second group. I thrive every time I have the opportunity to transfer what is in my mind to someone else's mind. Whether it is teaching someone how to do their taxes on Turbotax. Or giving Money workshops to GATE students. In my role as a 'transition commissions analyst', I have to typically hand the baton to someone. My process has been to write a document, and teach from that document. I have done this at multiple companies. Some of my best friends are people who I have had to pass on my knowledge to (do KT as they say in India) in such a way There’s more. Whenever I feel sad an assignment is coming to an end, I have a further list of things I remind myself about…. I remind myself of the freedom, which is such a basic human need, we will risk our lives for it. I remind myself of the repetitiveness, boredom and burnout I have avoided. I remind myself of the footprint I have been able to leave at different companies; the documents and tools I have created, the bonds I have forged. I remind myself it’s more empowering to choose change than to have change imposed on me. I remind myself of the demand for what I do; when that demand stops, I will stop consulting. I remind myself being self-employed has only improved my competitiveness and my value proposition. I remind myself my services are ideal for companies with variable cost business models, or companies in a jam. I remind myself, I never have to feel threatened or vulnerable in any assignment, because of being, not an incumbent in danger of being dislodged, but a temporary contributor whose services have a definite end date. I remind myself of the autonomy. You have no idea how much I like automony. I remind myself how consulting saves me from office politics. I remind myself of other things I have been spared of: performance reviews, forms to fill, surveys to fill out, and so on, and so on. I remind myself, my work never costs me my life; if I feel overwhelmed on an assignment, I speak up. I say “This is all I can do (core commission work).”Typically, I will be given additional help. I like opportunities to find out the truth. I can quickly identify gaps I need to fill, or the company needs to fill. I remind myself, how I am able to increase my competitiveness without competing. If there is a team, I will cheerfully take on the tasks that are invisible, and the tasks that no one else wants to do, and then, see what I can do, to make those tasks less dreary, more manageable. I have learned to customize my skills and services to meet the customer’s need of the hour (and by customer, I mean not just the manager, but the whole team, if there is a team). I remind myself of how much more adaptable and agile consulting has made me. I enjoy being a hero (of sorts); jumping in to help out a company when they are in crisis. I enjoy opportunities to apply critical thinking and problem solving. By having to prove myself in a new environment, I have the opportunity to reaffirm my skills and value. I continuously tweak my value proposition. I arrived at the proposition of being “A transition commission consultant who helps companies who are in a transition between people, or tools” and the promise, “I will be here as long as you want me, and no longer than you want me” a few years ago. They have served me well. I like being extended at companies. Contract extensions are proof I am delivering value. I believe my continuously expanding profile on Linkedin will continue to bring me future consulting assignments. Time will tell if I am right. Meanwhile, I sincerely believe, being a consultant is better suited to the complexity, volatility, and uncertainty of today’s economic and business environment. Above all, I remind myself, safety, security and benefits (the promises of employment) are not what they are cracked up to be. In fact, I will even go as far as to call them fool’s gold, and say “Bah Humbug”. Confidence, competence, ever expanding skills and horizons, plus an ever expanding network of people in Commissions and Sales Compensation – What’s not to like? Yes, I’ve resisted the Easy Money of Employment for The Hard Money of Being a Consultant. And now you know all the reasons why.

Because of thinking of my freelancing as a business, and regarding the companies I worked for as customers, I was able to approach work and work challenges better.

I did not burn even a bit of a bit of a bridge, and always looked for positive, non-confrontational ways to deal with work challenges

Because of this, companies extended my assignments again and again.

I was at some companies - such as Fortinet -for a whole 2 years, my assignments being extended again and again, in 2 month increments.

And I was also invited back to do repeat assignments at some companies, such as Linkedin and Zoom.

They say that 80% of your business will come from 20% of your customers.

Think of your career as a business, and manage it like a business.

Leave the door open for your return, when your employment with any company ends.

Do your best work, and leave in good faith.

Make sure you leave, with your bosses and coworkers, thinking highly of you

Make a good last impression.

So like the coworker I told you about, at the beginning of this post, you have opportunities to go back to former employers, again and again.

As an employee.

As a freelance consultant.

As a business owner.

All of which may be in your future, as it was in mine.

Sunday, June 1, 2025

Can you make an impression at an interview, such that they wish to hire you on the spot?


Yes.

And my experience has taught me the following:

Preparation works.

An interview can make up for a less than ideal resume.

Interviews are performances.

Presenting a unique hook can be the tie-breaker between you and another candidate.

I have used different tie-breaker hooks at different times.

A hook I call the “triple hatter” hook landed me assignments at Epicor and White Hat Security.

More about this hook:

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Minoo Jha
 · 3y
What are the best/innovative ways to introduce yourself to anybody?
Triple Hatter After reading Richard Nelson Bolles’ What Color is Your Parachute?, I found myself doing some soul searching. I thought about my past, my present and my future - all the colors and threads which were the patchwork of my life. And then I wrote a one page “dare to share” piece about myself, I titled Triple Hatter. I created it as something I would leave behind at an interview. I would hand it over to the interviewer at the end of the interview and say “This will tell you things about me that may not have been caught or covered in the interview”. If I was interviewed by 3 people in turn, I would hand out a copy to each of the interviewers as they left the room. I am sharing Triple Hatter with you. I hope it will motivate you to read What Color is Your Parachute? (when you get a chance) but more importantly, to learn to accept who you are in your entirety (past, present and future)... ... and then to “dare to share” everything you are with the world. Read Triple Hatter. Then go write your own Triple Hatter. And start sharing it with the world…. Triple Hatter One Gal. 3 Hats. I am a Commissions Analyst who writes advertising copy and a blog. I am a Copywriter who does Commissions Administrations and Implementations. I am a Commissions Admin who does Xactly Implementations You could call me a Triple Hatter. One Gal. 3 Hats. Solution Partners Inc, Los Gatos This is where I picked up my Implementations Hat. I said goodbye to fear and a regular paycheck when I signed up to be a contract Business Architect with Solution Partners and do Xactly Incent Implementations for different companies. 2 years and 4 projects later (including two 3-month stints at Salesforce Inc) – I am still entranced with the nuts and bolts of the Xactly Incent Commissions Machine. And now I can’t wait to see what it’s like to work both sides of the equation – the administration side and the implementation side. Which company will provide me with the opportunity to put both these skills to work? It’s exciting to speculate and wonder. Extreme Networks, Santa Clara This is where the Commissions Admin Experience I had gained at Palm was put to the test. And my ideas about my skills and traits. Excel whiz. Good at picking up new software. Accurate. Deadline Oriented. Dependable. I was there 5 years and had a fantastic relationship with my boss. Need I say more? Palm Inc This is where I got my training wheels as a Commissions Admin. No sooner did my boss sign me on to assist with commissions, when she went out on Maternity Leave. And never returned. So I was Palm’s one-woman commissions team from that point on. Of course, this meant I needed to take off my training wheels ASAP. Staying up nights with multiple Excel books, I did. It paid off. Minoo Jha Life Strategies My writing hat. It’s my oldest hat. Writing comes naturally. As flying to a bird. For a while, it looked like I had a broken wing. But when in December of 2010, I started blogging, I knew I was back in the groove. I write the Minoo Jha Life Strategies blog. Posting regularly to it, inviting guest posts and promoting it via Facebook, Twitter and Pinterest. Triple Hatter. That’s me.

Using “triple hatter” as an example, you can craft your own tie-breaker hook, to stand out from other interview candidates.

One suggestion for a tie-breaker hook is to create a one-pager titled “What My Mentors Have Taught Me”. Try to list at least 7–10 things on it.

When the interview is complete, hand a copy of your “What My Mentors Have Taught Me” one-pager to the interviewer, and say to them, "I would like to leave behind a short note detailing what my professional and personal mentors have taught me" and exit the room. Let them read it after you have left.

Since other candidates are not likely to have something like that in their tool kit, you will be sure to stand out from the other candidates, even though their resumes are similar to yours.

Once again, in my experience…

Preparation works.

An interview can make up for a less than ideal resume.

Interviews are performances.

Presenting a unique hook can be the tie-breaker between you and another candidate.